Singapore Angle: The First Six Months
By Huichieh on 01 Jan 2007 11:00 PM
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Just over six months ago (20 June, 2006), BL, Heavenly Sword and I sat down for lunch. it was our very first face to face meeting. Having just returned to Singapore after five years overseas, I was then considering the possibility of closing my blog "From a Singapore Angle" (now no longer updated) on account of expected work and home commitments, or alternatively, turn it into something different. It was over that lunch that the idea to form a group blog was conceived.

A day later, I sent an invitation email to a handful of bloggers. Apart from BL, Heavenly Sword and Dansong, I've not met any of them before.

Within the next two days (22-23 June, 2006), an initial group consisting of (in the order in which their emails arrived) The Kway Teow Man, BL, Wayne, The Void Deck, Heavenly Sword, Sze Meng and Dansong was assembled. (The remaining contributors: ringisei, The Legal Janitor and Speranza Nuova joined 27 June, 2 July and 21 November respectively.)

Less than a week after that fateful lunch with BL and Heavenly Sword (26 June, 2006), Singapore Angle came on line.

The "group" in "group-blog"

It should be pointed out that the group assembled in late June 2006 did not consist of people who are strangers to each other in some unqualified way. Indeed, most of us--scattered across four continents--have never met each other prior to that time. Yet there is also an important sense in which most of us were already well acquainted with each other--the sorts of thing we post on our blogs, the manner in which we engage with discussion and criticism, our screen personality, if you will.

Some of the people invited were hardly "unknowns" in the context of the Singapore Blogosphere. For instance, KTM was then a regular writer for STOMP (he has since left)--which made him hot stuff. But more importantly, in many cases, many of us have already enjoyed fairly extensive and lengthy interactions with each other prior to that time: in blog posts responding to each others' arguments, in the discussions in comments threads, in private emails. For instance, I have never met the TVD trio before. In fact, I still do not know their true identities. But if memory serves, I have had some contact with them (by email) almost ever since I first started blogging at "From a Singapore Angle".

What the above implies is that the initial invitation was sent to people of whom I have come to expect a certain quality and style of work. I would also hazard the conjecture that in almost every case, these invitations were received by people for whom I was a 'known quality'. Each person invited thus presents to me an individuality (treating the TVD-trinividuality as one so as not to overly complicate matters) and with it, an individual voice behind which is a unique set of experiences, commitments, motivations.

From early on, the intention was to bring together a loosely knit group unburdened by anything like a substantive common agenda, and even to leverage on precisely the loose-knit nature of the group. As I wrote in the original invitation email:

The ideal is that the individuality of the voices is not compromised. Every 'full-time' contributor should speak with his own voice, in the style that he is comfortable with. (In fact, rather than just a small "posted by ..." underneath the title of the post, there should be a scaled down portrait or icon associated with the author, etc.)

That is: even though we are all comfortable with each other's style and attitude towards discussion, in all likelihood, we do not all have the same substantive views on various issues (the same political orientation, for instance). The only thing is that we need to work out a set of operating procedures by means of which we can come to make group decisions, to conduct some small group procedural democracy, if you will.

Some of the earliest group decisions were also the most obvious (all representing consensus arrived at via email exchanges): the preference that the articles should be substantial and argued, that there should be no pressure to pile up content, no quotas, that new content is preferred (hence some elementary rules on cross posting), that there should be no obscenities, profanities, potentially seditious, libelous allegations, racist remarks and the like (but Singlish is fine as long as it is plausibly comprehensible by most Singaporeans), and so on. Six months and some ninety over posts later, these earlier decisions no longer feel like decisions as opposed to just aspects of what we (and in all likelihood, many readers) have come to expect of Singapore Angle.

Somewhat less obvious, but not the less important, are the procedures governing guest contributions.

Guest Contributions

It was agree from very early on that we will be posting guest contributions, and informal invitations were circulated on the grapevine even as the blog was just started. The first submission (11 July, 2006) came two weeks after the site was up and running and was published two days later, the official invitation still two weeks in the future.

In the meantime, discussions were on-going concerning two things: the wording of the invitation itself (posted 25 July, 2006; and here), and the procedure for generating group editorial decisions. These discussions was much facilitated by the diligence of ringisei who, at one point, collated the diverse strands of our email conversations from respondents scattered across four continents into one compact set of rules. These rules--though further refined as we go along--lie at the heart of what became our "Editorial SOP" (appended to the "Open Invitation, 31 August, 2006; now also here).

The rules exist to help resolve a specific problem in decision making: how does a small group of people (who trust each other, no doubt, but do not agree on all issues necessarily) come to make group decisions on whether or not to publish a guest contribution? The underlying mandate is a broad one ("could you live with such an article published on your own blog?"). This means that--as befitting the loosely organized nature of the group--the reviewers don't all look for the same thing and are not asked to do that.

For instance, BL said something about how he works on his own blog recently, emphasizing in particular (though obliquely) that the article should be well researched. In an email exchange, Heavenly Sword pointed out that he tends to look for creativity ("approaching the same old stuff from a new angle"), for whether it is boring, for reasoning but not necessarily a "moderate" writing style. I'm sure the others will have distinct even if related perspectives.

The issue for TVD and myself--the coordinating "editors"--is to find a way to "sum up" the comments and verdicts of the team members, and this is where the Editorial SOP comes in. Looking back, the SOP served us surprisingly well from almost day one. The most important modification, introduced early August, was the "double blind"--the reviewers do not know who the contributor is and the contributor does not know who gave which of the comments he received, and the editors, who know, don't get to vote until everyone else has already done so. The point is to force the team to vote on the basis of the perceived merits of the piece alone.

On the average of once a week or so, a guest contribution arrives in the editor's mailbox. The "editor on duty"--TVD and myself basically take turns at it--blanks out the sender's name and forwards it to the team members, who are asked to each give a verdict using the following template:

  1. Veto.
  2. Nay.
  3. Indifferent. (Also = "abstain")
  4. There are redeeming features (must attach suggestions).
  5. Some editing needed (only brief comments)
  6. Yeah (comments optional)

(Options 1, 2 and 4 are negatives, while 5 and 6 are positives. An article is rejected if a veto shows up, or if there is a significant minority of negatives. It is accepted only if there is a strong majority of positives. In all other cases--which are rather rare--the editors will have to make a judgment call. The average turn around time has been about 2-3 days.)

From experience, the submissions fall into three groups of roughly equal proportions. There are those clearly unsuitable for Singapore Angle. These are not necessarily badly written, but perhaps they don''t fit in with expectations about tone or style or level of research or reasoning that have already been set by the group and by past guest contributors. A majority of negative votes shows up and the editor has the (unenviable) task of writing the "I am sorry but..." email, with all of the reviewers' comments (no names attached) appended.

Then there are also those that are clearly impressive and a majority of positive votes shows up (with or without some suggestions for editing, additions and so on). If necessary, the article is first returned to the author for cleaning up with the comments and suggestions attached, and soon published.

It's the remaining 1/3 of the cases that require a bit more work. Usually, this is an article that is neither already largely publishable nor simply unsuitable ("has redeemable features"). These are the cases in which team members end up spending time thinking about how to encourage the writer to develop some line of argument or otherwise improve the article for a possible resubmit, and gave substantial comments and suggestions.

I should also mention option 1, the "nuclear option". It basically says: if Singapore Angle publishes this, I am out of here. (There is a long story behind why it exists but trust me, it is there for a reason.) So far, it has only been exercised once to reject an article--the person explained and the other team members--including those who have already voted "yes"--respected that choice and explicitly said so. Since a veto always kills the article, it is expected to be use only in extreme cases.

Since voting is (internally) open, it sometimes make for lively discussions as reviewers justify their decisions and seek to present their reasoning on why they vote the way they do. But such discussions aside, the editor's job is to generate the group's verdict using the rules laid out in the SOP.

It bears emphasizing that we do not see ourselves as providing some sort of collective stamp of approval upon published articles beyond the minimal sense of "here is something we would be willing to post as if it were by one of our own". The review process is in place so that we can cultivate and protect a certain tone and style of discussion within the modest space afforded by Singapore Angle, itself but one drop in the sea that is the Singapore Blogosphere.

Technical matters

Right from the beginning, I wanted the blog to be published on its own host with its own domain name. By then, I have already purchased the www.singaporeangle.com domain for my old blog, "From a Singapore Angle". It was thus a matter of signing up with a reasonably priced local hosting service (unmetered bandwidth rules!) and transferring the domain name, both of which were settled in a matter of days. Having our own web host allows for levels of control, customization and expansion possibilities not available to free blogging services, and if we are going to do things, we might as well do them well. Though I would not have thought much about paying out of my own pocket (it was less than what an annual subscription plan with Straits Times Interactive costs), various team members generously insisted on chipping in.

The choice of Blogger.com as the platform (publishing by FTP), however, was more of a compromise in the interest of start up time. Almost all of the individuals who accepted the original invitation already have Blogger accounts and many use the service for personal blogs. Getting the project rapidly off the ground was just a matter of creating a new blog on my Blogger account, sprucing up the template, and sending out invites. As mentioned earlier, the inaugural post (26 June, 2006) was out less than a week after the first invites were sent out (21 June, 2006).

But it was apparent to at least some of us even at that early stage that Blogger would not be the permanent solution: in all honesty, you can only do do much with a free service. Additional functionality had to be integrated from third party providers (primarily Haloscan and Blogrolling) and hacks (e.g., for dividing posts into a segment that shows on the main page and one that only shows in the item page). And so discussions were on and off from early on between myself and those among the team members who are more into this sort of things--especially TVD (BZH) and BL--concerning the longer term possibility of eventually migrating to a more full featured platform--probably either Word Press or Movable Type, though NucleusCMS was also mentioned at one stage.

"If this things survives for at least 6 months, we will consider doing so," was the not always voiced consensus. What you now see is the outcome of that consensus and the fact that, somehow, we did survive for six months.

I suppose NucleusCMS was never a viable option given my level of technical expertise, judging from what reviewers say about this otherwise powerful platform. The choice of Movable Type over Word Press, on the other hand, was largely accidental. While BL voiced concerns with stability issues for some versions of Word Press, I believe that they could be resolved--both ringisei and The Legal Janitor blog using Word Press. But more importantly, I used Typepad for most of the fall semester of 2006 as that was what my colleague chose in setting up the blog for a course we were teaching in NUS. This gave me exposure to how the Movable Type engine (which is what underlies Typepad) works and I liked what I saw.

So in mid-December, after receiving no objections from the group, I went ahead and installed MT 3.33 on our host. It turned out to be a much less harrying process than originally imagined, though not without adventures (and misadventures) along the way. I had more requests, queries, calls for help for tech support in the past two weeks than the last six months put together. But as far as I can tell, things have worked out.

Could we have begun with either Movable Type or Word Press from day one? Possibly. I would have enjoyed the added functionality and we probably wouldn't be as badly hit by the recent internet downtime cause by the disrupted undersea cables near Taiwan (though we have our own host, displaying the page still required some access to Blogger.com, a US based server itself; not so with our own native installation of MT). Would it have made it better for us? Not necessarily: having a firmer grasp of what works and what doesn't, what we want and what we don't in the last six months (for instance, how to handle guest contributions and categories) makes it that much easier now when setting up the blog using MT. Though I am sure there will be incremental modifications as we go along, at least we have a good base--I believe--to work from.

Where do we go from here?

The most recent development is the setting up of a brand new section to the blog entitled "Singapore Angle: Perspectives". (Technically, it is managed as a separate weblog under Movable Type.) The section will cater to shorter (500 words or less) and less extensively argued posts as compared to the main section, and is also open to input from guest writers, though without the more elaborate review process. Sze Meng and Bernard are heading up the new section as managing editors and will make executive decisions concerning letters and guest pieces. I see that they have put out the "Open Invitation".

Much as it was the case with the main section, Singapore Angle: Perspectives will take a while to build up a set of procedures and expectations, and find its niche. The agreement among the group members is that we will try it out and review in a month's time to see if the experiment is worth continuing.

In all honesty, the future is not ours to see, even though it seems strange to simply say que será será, since the future, in large measure, is up to us to create. Like everything else of human make, this blog will continue to change over time. But the specific instability of the blog springs from its nature as a joint effort: it is a function of the fact that each Singapore Angle writer (including future possible writers) brings to the table an unique individuality and casts his lot with the project from a variety of motivations, and from the fact that the blog stays in being and has the content and shape that it has through the informal consensus arrived at after discussion.

In important ways, this blog thus not only does not but cannot have a substantive agenda worthy of that appellation, the way individual bloggers or more tightly organized groups might have. Despite the inevitable misperception, we are in no position here on Singapore Angle to "make the world a better place" in some way "worth writing home about", as one might say. As detailed above, what we have arrived at (and will continue to make up as we go along) is at best an informal procedures for working out differences and arriving at group decisions (the guest article review process being the best example).

In any case, it would be both presumptuous to think of what we do as "effecting change" in Singapore or "make the world a better place". That is not the purpose of the group blog, nor do we have any such illusions. (All this remains even as individual team members are deeply concerned about how we might, each in our own limited way, contribute to building a better future for the country we call our home and the people we call our neighbors.)

To emphasize again: the writers here are drawn together by the possibility of reasoned discourse and civil discussion in the Singapore Blogosphere, the possibility of such interactions in spite of continuing disagreements over many important and substantive issues. It is an ongoing attempt at "proof of concept" (Sze Meng was the one who introduced me to that term). As I said in the inaugural post and I will say it again:

If by our meager examples others may come to appreciate the profit from an orderly exchange of ideas, and yet others of better heart and mind may deign to come forward with superior reason and more eloquent speech, then this site would have done its modest part in contributing to the ongoing cultivation of a thoughtful democratic citizenry in Singapore.

On behalf of the Singapore Angle team, I wish all netizens of Singapore a fruitful new year in 2007.

Update: I see that Bernard has posted his own reflections about Singapore Angle on his personal blog.

Update 2: Made a few minor typographical edits.

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cheers, HC!

here's saluting the entire SA team: may SA have another 6 fruitful months to come and many more after that!

insp.

A salute to you too! Enjoy your holiday.

Hi Hui Chieh & team,

Congratulations on the new look. I have to say that this one is much better than the previous one. It is more appealing to the senses :)

You guys are doing great work. Keep it up and hope we'll see more incisive articles from SA!

2007 is going to be a very interesting year indeed.

Regards,
Andrew
theonlinecitizen

The Void Deck:

Hi Andrew

You have fun too at TOC!

pirannahpride:

Dear Sir,

I believe it was this personality called Bambie darkness, who first proposed the whole idea of improving the dialogue in the Singapore blogosphere.

I dont exactly know where the exact post is, but I remember having read it somewhere in the intelligent singaporean. I have since tried in vain to search for it, but for some reason, I have not been successful.

This is just to clarify the situation.

Perhaps another way of retrieving this documment is dropping a line directly to the brotherhood. I believe there is a character by the name of chronicler, who keeps a repository of every post they send.

Thank you

Yours Sincerely

Tan.B.L

Tan.B.L.: We would be much obliged if you could locate that document. Incidentally, we [here at Singapore Angle] can't possibly claim to be the first or even among the first to talk about "improving the dialogue in the Singapore blogosphere". In all likelihood, that notion is as old as the blogosphere itself.

observer:

If you are wise, you would read it first bfr commenting. Besides it hardly needs re-telling they (the brotherhood) wait for no man, they have already launched their grand plan.

Han:

Oh noes! Not the Brotherhood of Nod! Call in the GDI Orbital Strike!

Or is it the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? Oh Noes! Where is Professor Xavier?!? We need your help!

observer: I'm totally baffled by what you said. Not having seen it, I have not and could not possibly comment on the document that Tan.B.L. mentioned (unless you count my request that he help us locate it a comment on it). (The other thing I said was about us.) Since you are obviously someone in the know, we would be much obliged if either you or Tan.B.L. could help us locate said document.

observer:

Oh noes! Not the Brotherhood of Nod! Call in the GDI Orbital Strike!

Or is it the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? Oh Noes! Where is Professor Xavier?!? We need your help!

Posted by Han | January 6, 2007 4:59 PM

Webmaster,

By endorsing this post, I believe you have stated your position with regards to the brotherhood very clearly.

I only meant to be helpful in my post to second the observation to Miss Tan but it is quite clear to me that both you and your colleagues have every intention of denigrating the brotherhood.

I really cannot see how I can assist you on this matter any longer. I wish you the best of luck in bringing blogosphere to the next level, judging from what I have seen in this thread, you certainly need it.

Dear Observer:

I have no idea as to your understanding of our workings. But if you read the disclaimer in "semi legalese" (or just stick around), you would realize that everyone here--whether regular contributors, guest contributors, or commenters--speak in their own persons representing only themselves. There is no such thing as a "Singapore Angle" position (well, not unless we explicitly put it forward).

The mere fact that someone's comment is left as is on this comment thread--even if that person is a regular contributor--says nothing about how the rest feels about what he says. Not unless they come forward to explicitly endorse it. And there may well be all sorts of very mundane reasons why they don't bother. (In fact, the regulars disagree with each other here all the time.)

Incidentally, I did take you as trying to be helpful--and I was suggesting a way by which both you and Ms. Tan can actually help us. As I said earlier, you sound like someone who is in the know, which makes you just the right sort of person to help us track down that document earlier mentioned.

As for Han's comment--let me simply say that I neither endorse nor condemn it for the simple reason that I just don't know enough about the mentioned "brotherhood" to form any coherent judgment.

As a coda, I think that "bringing the blogosphere to the next level" sounds like a really exalted goal, and I really wonder if Singapore Angle is capable of any such highmindedness. At least I tend to see our possible contribution in a more modest light. As I said in the article itself:

If by our meager examples others may come to appreciate the profit from an orderly exchange of ideas, and yet others of better heart and mind may deign to come forward with superior reason and more eloquent speech, then this site would have done its modest part in contributing to the ongoing cultivation of a thoughtful democratic citizenry in Singapore.

If those others I speak of happen to be among the "brotherhood", then I would be more than happy that they come forward with said "superior reason and more eloquent speech".

Han:

observer:

Don't get yer knickers in a twist old feller.

Just because someone doesn't take you as seriously as you take yourself, you immediately deem it to be "denigrating"? my my, isn't somebody thin-skinned.

Let me just state here that I speak for myself, and I represent my own position.

Furthermore, I cannot see how simply leaving my comment alone is a sign of "endorsement". Unless what you are trying to say is that any comment that is even remotely offensive to your senses should be censored. Then you should state clearly that "the brotherhood wishes to censor any comment deemed offensive by the brotherhood".

One more thing. The reason why I prefer to be flippant and sardonic with regards to certain things, is because I simply cannot comprehend how is it possible for a bunch of people to refer to themselves as "the brotherhood", without cracking up into insane laughter, or feel any sense of irony.

The point I wanted to make with my comment, if you need things to be explained clearly to you, is that this is the real world, not a computer game or a comic book. In the real world, people do not refer to themselves as "the brotherhood".

If you want to participate in reasoned discourse, use real names, not some fancy-schmancy mysterioso appellation. Speak in plain language, not make cryptic remarks to appear like some shadowy ninja-shinobi-mutant organisation.

If you want people to treat you with respect, then you have to act like adults, not children playing superheroes.

observer:

"keep yer knickers old feller." ( I am only 27 yrs of age hardly old your vintage)

"Just because someone doesn't take you as seriously as you take yourself" (its certainly not a very start), you immediately deem it to be "denigrating"? my my, isn't somebody thin-skinned.

"Let me just state here that I speak for myself, and I represent my own position. Furthermore, I cannot see how simply leaving my comment alone is a sign of "endorsement". Unless what you are trying to say is that any comment that is even remotely offensive to your senses should be censored. Then you should state clearly that "the brotherhood wishes to censor any comment deemed offensive by the brotherhood"." (I don’t even think they know you exist.)

"One more thing. The reason why I prefer to be flippant and sardonic (sardonic???pray show me where???) with regards to certain things, is because I simply cannot comprehend how is it possible for a bunch of people to refer to themselves as "the brotherhood", without cracking up into insane laughter, or feel any sense of irony." (you cannot comprehend because you never bothered to do you homework, if you did, you would realize what you flippantly refer too as a sense of irony is worth approx USD$8.5 million in ebay – yes, that is how much their RPG is worth in real world currency terms and they who are so adept at stimulating your sense of irony last transacted a USD$1.94 million deal to seal a forum site in Hong Kong.)

"The point (I beg your pardon pls revisit your post, there was no point apart from your poor attempt to denigrate them with you blasé repartee, come come you could have done a better job wot!) I wanted to make with my comment, if you need things to be explained clearly to you, is that this is the real world, not a computer game or a comic book . In the real world (what do you consider reality? Are we to believe ONLY your definition of reality applies universally to the rest of us lesser mortals?"

Forgive me if I did not realize, we were living in the Soviet Union. I will have you know many who continue to play the so called “computer game or comic book” construct happen to be very mature, intelligent and successful people in the real world, simply because you do not have either the aptitude, experiential knowledge or lateral train to comprehend the obvious allure of such a lifestyle, does not in any way suggest they lack either maturity or the capacity for intellectual discourse. On the contrary, I am inclined to believe you wouldn’t even stand 2 min with a character like darkness, he will simply have his way with you.)

"people do not refer to themselves as "the brotherhood". (again who elected you as the sole arbiter to determine how others should wish to either live their life or define themselves."

Conversely, I can also say, no reasonable man would consider the moniker the legal janitor for the same reason! They are a fraternity of men who share common values, how else would you expect them to refer to themselves? Again you seem to have a predilection to draw sweeping assumptions, despite not knowing anything about them.)
If you want to participate in reasoned discourse (yes, but as your earlier post clearly showed, you are incapable of doing so), use real names (again a sweeping and baseless assumption to suggest we should all conform to your ideal!), not some fancy-schmancy mysterioso appellation (it may appear mysterious to you, but it is hardly a mystery to their readers, who know of their history, so again a sweeping and baseless comment once again.). Speak in plain language, not make cryptic remarks to appear like some shadowy ninja-shinobi-mutant organisation. (I am not a member of the brotherhood! I happen to be one of many of their dedicated readers)

"If you want people to treat you with respect, then you have to act like adults, not children playing superheroes." (I think it is quite clear to all of us here who is the petulant child even by my very forgiving standards. Again I do wish all of you the best of luck in taking Singapore blogosphere to the next level.)

[Quotation marks added by siteowner to mark off quotations from comments, and line breaks too, to make it more readable. I trust the commenter does not mind.]

observer:

I think it is clear for all to see, you notice they (the brotherhood) haven’t even uttered one word.

Whereas you Mr Han have taken the liberty of continuing to denigrate them by highlighting their apparent deficiencies with your mightier than thou attitude as to how ALL of us should live,behave and conform to your ideal.

Really I wonder petulant child which speaks louder of two, the meditations of a lone fool who continues to insist the world must be or the silence of the brotherhood. Good night

Han:

observer:

I'm sure that the brotherhood doesn't care about what I have to say, but that is not the point. The point is firstly, why is making a joke about their name deemed to be "denigrating" them? Are they truly that sensitive about something as trivial as this? Or is it just something you feel?

Secondly, I did not criticize people who play games or read comic books. I confess that I do both myself. I merely stated that talking in a cryptic fashion and using code words to exclude others is not something people normally do in real life.

Thirdly, I have no doubts that someone like darkness will have his way with me (although I have to say the way you put it does sound distinctly sexual, which is quite disturbing. And I will state for the record that I am straight, so please darkness, do not have your way with me that way, and I'm sure anyway you wouldn't want to)

Oh and I also have to add that I'm a fan of darkness himself. you could go check in the comments history if you want. I think even he knows.

Fourthly, yes, you're right, I have no right to decide what people should call themselves. I did not actually do so, but merely made fun of the name. I guess in retrospect it wasn't very nice of me to do so. I apologise for that.

Last, if you're not of the brotherhood yourself, then why are you making such a big fuss? And then you go on to say that their silence is a sign of their wisdom. That I agree. I have shown myself to be a fool for fulminating about something so trivial, and yet why do you participate?

I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong, and I admit that I'm wrong here (for being flip) because I have nothing but respect for darkness (although I still have my reservations as to why people call themselves "the brotherhood").

juicybaby:

Serve you right jamban man, next time do try to size him up bfr launching on a tirade, you come across as a silly nilly fool and by sheer association so does the rest of the team in Singapore Angle.

Really was it necessary to take a cheap swipe at those boys, you are lucky the big manolo didnt rip off your head.

Majorie:

Hi,

Well this is certainly terribly embarassing. You chaps did start off very well, but reading through the thread, I really do have to say it was certainly uncalled for to have said those things about the brotherhood.

After all whether you people in Singapore Angle know it or not, those boys are very much a feature of the Singaporean internet.

I do hope everything returns back to normal and I hope to see the Legal Janitor is full swing after recovering from his much deserved mauling.

Cheers!

Maj

Han:

juicybaby:

It started off with a joke, and went bad when I made intemperate comments. I feel no shame in admitting when I am wrong. I also think that it is right for me to apologise when I am wrong. There is no need to gloat.

observer:

I think enough is enough. I do agree with darkness, we need every single avaliable soldier to fight the good fight and the legal janitor is someone who I rather have on my side. I am as much responsible for this as anyone else.

Tomorrow is Monday, let us now dwell on this further and simply move on.

If you post you simply insult him and you all know who we are talking abt.

He doesn't take it personally, why should all of you?

I'm very impressed to read this:

Han: it started off with a joke, and went bad when I made intemperate comments. I feel no shame in admitting when I am wrong.

Observer: I am as much responsible for this as anyone else.

Hopefully, all can move on now.

Let me reiterate my earlier request for help made to Tan.B.L.--and I was and remain serious about this. Tan spoke of something that one "Bambie darkness" wrote concerning the issue of "improving the dialogue in the Singapore blogosphere". As I said then, I would be very grateful if someone better connected or more resourceful that I can help locate that mentioned document.

boing boing:

Oh Dear. I do hope Han is OK. Those boys are fun but they are terribly vicious when they fight.

shoestring:

Comment no. 40 of the following thread might throw some light on what Tan B. L. was referring to and help us understand the Brotherhood better:

http://intelligentsingaporean.wordpress.com/2006/10/21/daily-reads-oct-21-wee-shu-min/

Dr Florence Teh:

Dear Sir Shoe String,

This goes a long way towards de-fragmenting some of their history. I must say the come across as a very intelligent and well organized out fit.

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