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By The Void Deck
on 14 Feb 2007 6:43 PM Haloscan Comments Closed |
Yoyoyo, NMP Siew Kum Hong was kind enough to spend time and share some of his views on his blog, the web and the media. RESPECT. His blog is at siewkumhong.blogspot.com, so check it out! Watch out homies, Kum Hong is in da House! BTW Happy VD from TVD
And this was what Kum Hong said when The Void Deck made a cold call email to him about the interview thingy. LOL
"What I do find amusing is that this is an anonymous e-mail without a name in the header or a sign-off. No sarcasm there -- I really am amused, considering some of the questions. And the only clues to where this might appear are in the subject-heading and in the BTW paragraph at the end! "
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So. In ancient BBS fashion, my responses are below your questions. (Yes I used to frequent BBSes way back when.)
1. So you had a previous blog before when you were in Rajah and Tann? How was that blog different from the current one? We guess that it was more personal rather than outright "political" compared to your current blog? Did you also participate in local forums like Sammyboy or Hardwarezone? Many a local blogger has learnt how to cross swords and build a thick skin in such exciting forums! If you did, it was presumably under a nick? Was it a cool nick?
It was entirely personal and somewhat anonymous. For the most part I stayed away from politics. I used to participate in s.c.s and s.c.s.m -- that is perhaps a sign of my antiquity in Net years. In fact I think I was the vote-taker for the creation of s.c.s.m, although I really can't remember for sure. I still remember the days of lynx and tin, while freeloading on my sister's leonis account because I was in NS not NUS, and I continued through my own time in NUS. After I started working, I simply didn't have the time to actively participate or even read online forums, so I never did participate in Sammyboy or HWZ although I occasionally visited them.
And I have always used my real name to post, never a nick. I do not agree with being anonymous online unless it is absolutely necessary, eg. to avoid injury or harm. I believe that one should stand behind one's statements, and that one should not make any statements that one is not able or willing to stand behind, unless the inability or reluctance is due to overwhelmingly good reasons such as to protect a minor's identity, to avoid a real likelihood of personal injury (eg. in naming a loanshark), etc. -- and the vague fear of theoretical reprisal is, to me, not an overwhelmingly good reason.
I don't know if Google Groups' s.c.s and s.c.s.m archives go far back enough to verify this, but you can try doing a search there.
2. Did the other NMPS or MPs say anything about your blog? Anybody passed comments and joked that you are now one of THEM? In fact, do the other NMPs have blogs? Would you encourage them to blog?
Nobody has said anything about my blog. I am not aware of whether the other NMPs have blogs. And I think the blogging phenomenon is sufficiently mainstream and well-known that they are able to decide for themselves, whether they want to do so. It is really, and should be, a personal choice.
3. OK. I can't help it given the current mood. I have to ask you straight - what do you think of political parties pushing their party interests anonymously (I would say connivingly, sneakily, but well, some people say toma-toe, some say tomay-toe)? On one hand the PAP heaps scorn on anonymous bloggers, yet the PAP has recruited its own army of anonymous PAP bloggers to further the PAP's interests via the Internet? Come to think of it, do you think the whole anonymous PAP in the Internet campaign was a leak or not?
I think that's ironic, to say the least. (Or perhaps I am misusing the term "ironic".) Having said that, it's pretty obvious that any post by a person who is identified as a PAP member or supporter will immediately be dismissed, regardless of the merits of the post. That actually speaks volumes about 2 things. And here is where I get into a bit of a rant.
Firstly, it is a sad indictment of the local Internet community, that posts are often assessed based on the identity of the poster and not the merits of the post. If the local Internet community (and here, I was tempted to say "we" but then I'm not sure if I qualify anymore as a member of the local Internet community, whatever that is) sees itself and wants to position itself as being the last, best hope for free speech in Singapore, which seems to me to be the case, then it should zealously work towards advancing that position and practise what it preaches.
Instead of dismissing so-called "PAPists" (I believe that is the term in vogue) outright because of who they are, the local Internet community should engage them in frank discussion and debate them and rebut what they say using rational, reasoned arguments. That's what I tried to do when I was active on s.c.s and s.c.s.m. That is, after all, what a culture of free speech should ideally be about. You do get rubbish speech even in liberal societies like the US, but that is balanced by serious, responsible speech. In the local Internet community, serious, responsible speech is the exception and very far from the norm.
Yes, very often if not always, engaging them seriously will eventually result in a circular debate where you state your position and they state theirs. (I happen to believe that it is incredibly difficult and rare to persuade people to change their preconceived notions of the truth through argument -- but in any such public debate, it's clear that the aim is not to convince the other side, but rather to persuade the undecided neutrals.) But the attempt should still be made, because rational, responsible debate helps to develop and grow the local Internet community and win credibility for it. Otherwise, it will forever continue to be regarded by the offline mainstream as unreliable and distorted, something to be dismissed.
That cannot be positive. Surely the common objective is or should be to develop the local Internet community to such a stage that it is seen by all stakeholders, whether or not they are online, as a credible alternative medium. Well, I'm sorry, but that is not the case right now. If you spend all your time on the Internet, you would probably have thought that the Opposition would've won quite a few more seats than it did in GE2006, simply because of the prevalence of anti-PAP sentiment online. But we all know that didn't happen. So how reflective is the local Internet community of the wider Singapore society? The same thing happened in 1997, which for me was the first GE in an environment when the public could access and was accessing the Internet. I can't comment on 2001 because I didn't really spend much time online at that time.
I have even seen a posting on SG_Review asserting that I was a fictitious entity created by the Government for ghostwritten articles on TODAY, simply because of how I concluded a piece last year about being the considerations running through my mind as a voter in Ang Mo Kio. That is how knee-jerk the vast majority of politically-inclined Internet posters seem to be. It is almost as if most politically-inclined Internet posters are the anti-PAP mirror-images of the dogmatic propagandists they perceive "PAPists" to be.
And it is obviously because of this, that the PAP has decided to go the anonymous route.
The second point I would make is that the PAP should actually consider why they have such a credibility problem on the Internet. In fact, let me recount this ST piece I read last year, about Mr Brown's "tur kwa" podcast. The piece started by recounting the story of a PAP supporter (a SUPPORTER, mind you) who confronted a PAP MP (one of the ladies, I can't really remember whom though) about a rumour she had heard, and believed, that the PAP was cracking down on mee pok sellers, or some patent absurdity like that derived from the podcast that was evidently a joke. The exact rumour isn't really important; what is important was that this PAP supporter took it so seriously. I was and remain completely fascinated by this story. What does that say about how the public perceives the PAP?
So maybe the PAP needs to reconsider its fundamental approach to engaging the public, to public debate itself. Quite apart from the issue of anonymity, that seems to be the more important question -- and if it is something that can be rectified, and their image improved, then maybe it won't be necessary to rely on online anonymity.
I would only add that I don't think such a strategy will be effective in the long-term. Given the prevalent anti-PAP sentiment on the Internet, I don't think it would've been effective even if the story had not broken. I'm also not in a position to comment on whether it was a leak or not.
4. Moving away from that episode, your posting on 10.2.2007 does suggest that you were slightly put off by the way some things were reported in ST's snapshot of your political interests. You are certainly correct, the Internet has allowed people to clarify and refute what was portrayed in the media, assuming that people read the Internet and can discern that it has its gems and grime. What's your feel on the media's depiction of local Internet commentators?
Yes, I was "slightly put off", as you say.
I think the media has a self-evident self-interest in "spinning" certain things. It's not even necessarily a political thing -- at its most fundamental level, the mass media has to put forward an interesting story in a simple way, so as to attract readers/viewers. That's just the way the business model works. So, quite apart from any political bias that may or may not exist, the media will strive to put a spin on a story to attract interest. From my own experience, it's true of ST, TNP, TODAY, it's true of the mass media, period.
And when it comes to the Internet, well, I've already said that there is a perception in the offline world that the online world is some kind of cesspool. So the offline media (which I suppose can be equated with the MSM), when catering to this offline world, will have an inherent tendency to play up that perception. That will result in a certain spin in offline/MSM stories.
But you know, although I was "slightly put off", I recognise that that's just how it works. If you want to play the game, then you should know what the rules are. Internet commentators can always choose not to speak to the MSM, and rely on their Internet platforms to speak their mind. That will inherently limit the amount of spin that can be put on any story. So in my mind, I know that there will always be such a risk when I participate in or engage the mass media, and I just deal with it when the story doesn't really come out the way I would like it to.
5. This caveat at the bottom of your posting on 10.2.2007 is hilarious!
"Legalese: My posting of this article is based on my rights under the defence of general fair dealing in Section 35 of the Singapore Copyright Act ( Cap.63), as this article was written about me and I am making a strictly non-commercial use of it. Other persons will therefore not have any such rights to, and therefore should not, post this article. "
And it suggests that your future blog postings might have a legal angle to it and/or that you think ST might try to make an example of you! Any other legalese stuff you can share now about blog postings and defamation as that is what bugs most bloggers?
Re future blog postings having a legal angle -- maybe, maybe not. The blog is a work in progress. I don't really want it to be a legal blog, I spend enough hours of the day being a lawyer as it is.
As for ST -- well, I think the day before the article came out, there was this little house ad by SPH on the stock quotes page, about infringing SPH's intellectual property. And that's really a reference to a (little-known) program that the SPH has, to enforce its IPRs against people who reproduce SPH articles, and in particular on the Internet. When I was in private practice, I had acted in such a case. I've also from time to time received informal requests for assistance from people who received letters of demand from SPH requesting them to pay licence fees for posting SPH articles about themselves on their own sites.
Now, before 1 January 2005, it would've been tough fighting such a demand, even if the article was about yourself. But the law changed on 1 January 2005, when we got a US-style general fair dealing defence, and that is the defence I was referring to in that caveat. And I would argue that posting an article about oneself, on a non-commercial site by and about oneself, must certainly be a fair dealing that is protected by law. It's a little less clear if it is a commercial site, but I think it should still be a fair dealing.
So I put that caveat there to make that position clear. That's all there is to it.
As for Law 101 for bloggers... there's actually been quite a few of those sessions. I think Bloggers.SG 2005 had such a session. (Disclosure: one of the panellists was my colleague then. The other panellist was an ex-colleague.) Like I have said above -- a simple rule of thumb is to say only what you can or are willing to publicly stand behind. That does mean some things can't be said. But then again, ask yourself: what exactly would you get out of saying those things?
6. Maybe the NMPs can form their own group blog. Or maybe not. But you might entrench this trend that Steve Chia and some others have experimented with to some degree.
" On this blog, I will post my speeches, questions and other materials related to my appointment as an NMP. I may also post personal observations about my experiences as an NMP, to try and demystify the entire process for the public ."
A blog is indeed a nifty tool to publish your parliament speeches and even get reactions on it. But of course, some of the comments can be from anonymous PAP, WP, SDP, SDA people. Heh. What are your OB markers? What are the things you would like to post on but can't for a variety of reasons :)
If I can tell you, then surely I can blog about it! So I won't answer that last bit. Nice try. :)
I don't really have any interest in a group blog. I think blogging is quite personal, we are all people with strong views (we have to be, to put ourselves forward as NMPs), and we all have different amounts of time that we can devote to this. So a group blog might not be the best idea, because some will invariably post more than others, and then the others might feel compelled to post simply out of competitive reasons. That's not what blogging should be about.
I had a bit of a struggle with comments. I initially disabled comments, to avoid any hassle about nonsense being posted on this blog. But then I thought again -- free speech is one of the things I'm going to try to advocate in Parliament. I really should walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. So I decided to permit comments, for all registered Blogger users -- that will deter most "bo-liao" comments, but is such a low and minimal barrier (especially now that one can use a Google account to sign-in to Blogger) that someone with a serious desire to comment will not be deterred. Other than that, people are welcome to be anonymous if they so desire. I've already made known my view about that.
7. What's your take on the local bloggers as an evolving community in debating issues?
Other than the spiel in response to question #3 (and local bloggers are obviously a very prominent part of the local Internet community), I don't have a take on local bloggers as an evolving community in debating issues, because I don't really follow blogs that closely. I read a few blogs now and then, but it's really quite rare. Otherwise, I rely on what is forwarded to me, whether by friends or on mailing lists.
8. Anything else you want to say to the Internet community and especially those who would pop by at your blog?
Er. No.
The Void Deck likes to thank again Kum Hong for being sporting in allowing the interview. Cheers dude!


Comments (7)
Thank you Kum Hong for taking the time to reply at length, and the Void Deck for, well, for being The Void Deck! :) The answer to #3 captures much of my own sentiments.
Leonis? Now that brings back some memories alright...
Posted by Huichieh
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February 14, 2007 8:48 PM
cool interview :D
Posted by inspir3d | February 15, 2007 3:01 PM
TVD,
You are awesome. How did you manage to do this? Is it through your "underworld" contacts?
Cool Interview, and yes, I use to use leonis too, doing ytalk and irc.
Posted by Bernard Leong
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February 15, 2007 5:04 PM
Yoz Inspir3d and Bernard!
Glad you dig it! (Flamboyant foppish bow) It was cool only coz Kum Hong was full on open about the whole gig in the first place - he is THE man and his blog has lots of promise.
Posted by The Void Deck | February 15, 2007 6:02 PM
I remember being somewhat amused by the replies to Kum Hong's ST forum letters when he was addressed as Miss Siew Kum Hong many years ago.
And when he replied to the respondent, he will sign off as Siew Kum Hong (Mr) =)
Posted by Kelvin Tan | February 15, 2007 8:38 PM
"the local Internet community should engage them in frank discussion and debate them and rebut what they say using rational, reasoned arguments."
The known problem about discussion with Papists, they post and run. Most of them cannot hold a conversation/debate. Those few who stayed do not try to see the others' point of views. They are too keen to push whatever message they think they were enlighten with.
In fact, most of the time they talk down or just preach.
The local Internet communitie were already immuned to them and simply kill them off right at the stay.
To late comers of Internet Forums & discussion, please...understand the cultures developed over time and don't jump the gun acting as if you know it all.
If you want to deal with a country/people, understand their history, their previous encounter with the foreign kinds, appreciate their values & pride and you may have some success.
Papists from the leaders to the tails wagging time and again prove their inability in dealing with foreign nations. Frankly, they are as foreign in the local Internet scenes as they were in Suzhou industrial park.
Posted by Kevin | February 23, 2007 11:51 AM
Dear kum hong,
Taxi Related Matters with LTA.
1. I refer to the above and in the S.T. Interview dated April 8 2009 articles telling us to stand up and speak out.
2. Yes I am looking forward to meet someone like you since I have this opportunity.
3. My subject is totally based on LTA with we Taxi
Drivers.
4. It seems to most of we taxi drivers that we are all
just like VICTIMS under Lta hands.
5. I have also heard many cries among we taxi drivers
over Lta matters especially on the Passengers
Complaints.
6. It's totally and mostly a one sided version
whenever there's a complaint.
7. The chances are very slim as I dare to say is 95%
of it will be penalize for sure with fine and
demerit points and with just maybe only 5% or less
will be either given a warning.
8. By the way here on behalf of All Taxi Drivers
concern which I did represent some of those taxi
drivers with penning some help to them even until
today free of charge with some of the followings
which hereby we would like to know further with
your humble assistance since you're one of the NMP
which I truly respect your courage to call us to
come out and stand up to speak up for Justice with
Facts & Righteousness of Conveying Clear and
Upright Messages among we taxi drivers whom I dare
to put it that most of them just talks, have no
courage, they Fear. But not me I am a person who
will fight to the end for Justice & Righteousness
even it has to cost me to the High Court.
9. Fyi, I have been writing to the LTA Chairman, Ceo,
Division Heads concerning some our Taxi related
matters requesting them to arrange for a TV Press
Media Conference for an interview with some of our
taxi representatives pertain to All our Taxi
related matters and to show and proof to us HOW
TRANSPARENT AND HONEST ARE YOU IN ALL THOSE FIELDS
THAT WE TAXIS ARE CONCERN.
They have yet until today to reply me on the above
request which I have made 6 request which they've
turned into a deaf ear.
10 We felt that we taxi drivers has been victimized
and harrassed by LTA whom has been using THREATS
and means of using the Subordinate Courts as their
back benches and support to put into their demand
notices to we taxi drivers if we fail to pay up the
compound fines by the due date.
11. Here I want you to put up this questions in your
this coming Parliament sitting or whichever way and
best methods that you can give we taxi drivers a
helping hand with your Clear Conscience Mind and to
put up the followings to the Parliament on our
behalf.
a. Are Lta Rules & Regulations has these 4 Credentials
that have not only been PASSED but also Approved,
Endorsed & Legislated by our Parliamemt Committees
in order to execute anyone in Court.
b. Those Lta are just merely Rules & Regulations which
I strongly believe that they don't have all the 4
credentials and yet they have been bringing we
motorist drivers to Courts just either because we
have some disagreement or disputes with them that
has force most of us to take this route by
attending to the Court. Can they do that ?
c. Can they prosecute us just like that when they're
just the Governing Body and when these are not
Criminal Laws and which are non criminal cases ?
12. Kum Hong, there are many more things that I wanted
to put up on behalf of our taxi drivers concern
which I will let you know in my later email.
13. Maybe we can meet up for a further meeting anytime
of your convenient time and location somewhere in
town and if possible I don't mind that you can also
arrange for some journalist to come forward for an
interview yet to be fix and arrange by you.
14. I take this opportunity to say THANK YOU KUM HONG
and hope to hear from you again and send to my
email address: scanlink (at) hotmail.com
God Bless.
Brother Sunny Jeremiah Ong
On Behalf of All Taxi Drivers Concern.
Dated 14th April 2009
Posted by SUNNY JEREMIAH ONG . | April 14, 2009 7:17 PM